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Staffing Myth: Companies Post Fake Jobs (Part I)

April 23, 2013
Staffing Myth:  Companies Post Fake Jobs (Part I)

Over the past few months, we've been listening to your questions and comments about working with staffing firms and wanted to address them through a four-part series: Staffing Myths. While we know there is always room for improvement, we hope this series provides some insight into our processes to help debunk these myths, and ultimately help you land your next job!

 

One of the most common questions staffing firms get are, “why is the employer’s name omitted from the online job posting?” It is certainly understandable why a job seeker might be weary of applying for a job without knowing the employer’s name. Below we break down the explanations for what some job seekers might think is a “fake job post”, detailing the different types of job posts out there.

 

Typical Job Postings

Take a look at any of these technology jobs on Kforce.com and you’ll notice that many of them do not include the employer’s name or the exact address or location of the particular position. Typically, information like this is excluded from the job description, due to agreements staffing firms may have with the client (a.k.a. the employer).

 

TIP:

  • First view the job description in detail to see if you meet the requirements and qualifications. 
  • If you are still interested in applying for the job, it’s a good idea to submit your resume and even reach out to your recruiter who may be able to tell you a bit more information, such as if the employer is billion-dollar global firm with local needs or a smaller start-up company.

 

Job Postings Based on Client’s Anticipated Needs

Oftentimes, an employer may realize that finding top candidates for a particular skill set, such as Java development, can be a challenge in the city or state where they operate. In order to stay ahead of these types of hiring needs, staffing firms may post a job opening to gather candidate resumes. The description may even mention that there are multiple openings for a particular position without listing an exact location.

 

The goal here though, is for the staffing firm to quickly gather these in-demand professionals’ updated resumes so the firm can instantly contact you when an employer has a key opportunity they need to fill immediately.

 

TIP:

  • Rather than applying for a job that is days or weeks old, applying through this method can potentially give you an edge up on the competition. A recruiter is more likely to contact a candidate who has an updated resume on file rather than going through the process of posting a job, which could take a few days and not meet the employer’s immediate hiring needs.

 

 

While it may be a challenge to decipher each type of job posting once it’s online, it’s always a good idea to touch base with your recruiter about your individual needs and career goals. Keep your resume up to date and search for opportunities that are truly a good fit for you.

 

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About the author

KforceKforce is a professional staffing and solutions firm providing flexible and permanent placement services, as well as outsourcing solutions, in the skill areas of technology, finance & accounting, healthcare and government. Kforce operates in more than 60 offices throughout the United States and one in the Philippines.

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SM

SM United States
4/25/2013 2:46:56 PM #

"The goal here though, is for the staffing firm to quickly gather these in-demand professionals’ updated resumes so the firm can instantly contact you when an employer has a key opportunity they need to fill immediately."

So they are not fake jobs, just jobs that don't exist.

Derek Parker

Derek Parker United States
4/25/2013 2:55:31 PM #

I knew this article was less than truthful by the second paragraph. While occasionally a staffing firm may have an anonymity agreement with the client, usually they have no agreement at all. The reason the name is kept off is so that the prospect or other staffing firms will not jump claim on the original firm. And staffing firms do too post fake reqs to collect resumes. I've caught a couple of them red handed.

You would do better with your reputation by not posting obvious lies.

Vincent Pivnicny Jr.

Vincent Pivnicny Jr. United States
4/25/2013 3:01:17 PM #

This is the most lying, deceitful piece of propaganda ever posted. Head hunters call you in for contact interviews and never call you back. They in the sole business of extracting contract labor at the lowest possible hourly rate to extract the maximum profit from the client. What I find especially comical is when several agencies post the same position and then trip over each other to get the cheapest possible candidate. They are also staffed with people who are unwilling or unable to read a resume.

BeenLooking4Ever!

BeenLooking4Ever! United States
4/25/2013 3:58:48 PM #

What truly is the difference between a real set of job requirements from a client as opposed to "job postings based on client's anticipated needs"? What a recruiter anticipates a client's needs are can be far from what the client actually wants or needs.

I've experienced this and it surely feels like going through the grill for nothing most times. I personally would rather NOT be contacted by a recruiter unless a client actually has a job they are looking to fill.

IMO for a recruiter to actively contact prospective job candidates if there is no true job out there is just as good as posting a fake job.

Antonia

Antonia United States
4/25/2013 4:43:57 PM #

The other reason agencies don't post employer names is because if they did, the potential employee can just apply with the company directly.  But if the company wanted unsolicited and unscreened resumes, then they'd post an ad on Monster or Craigslist.  On the other hand, letting you know who the employer is would save you from duplicating efforts.  

I nearly lost the job I have because an agency I'd sent a resume to sent it to my potential employer WITHOUT consulting me first.   If they had, I would have told them I was already working with another agency on that job.   In the end, one agency came through...

Larry Turner

Larry Turner United States
4/25/2013 6:19:24 PM #

There are many reasons "why" the recruiter/firm keeps the name of the company "close to the vest" per se.

One is that if the truly have the inside track, the client may be gearing up to expand or get rid of a person. Thus they need to keep the information confidential.

Another reason is that if they disclose the client, the applicant could bypass using the recruiter, thus losing out on the business deal being closed and earning a commission.

I believe the reason "why" prospective employee make this assumption is that some of the larger firms tend to run the exact same ad. You apply, you phone screen with the recruiter and never hear back  A few weeks later, you see the same ad, and you ignore it or Career Builder or Monster tells you "you have already applied". See a seasoned prospect realizes that all firms pay a fee for "x" number of ads, and "x" number of days. Thus, it is not unusual to see the same ad repeatedly.

Plus, if you are actively networking, you know many recruiters at many different firms. How is it that multiple recruiters will contact a prospect with the same opportunity? The core details and requirements are identical, location, company type and size, etc. Again, this tells a seasoned person that none of the recruiters have a true "exclusive".

Thoughts?

Bob Torres

Bob Torres United States
4/26/2013 2:47:13 PM #

It isn't so much the spectre of the fake job posting, it is the fake point of contacts in the posting that produces the most chuckles. Come on...Mr. Strong, Ms. Frontiere, Mr. Justice...et al. Especially if, as someone who has been around the block knows, it is known that NONE of those people are at the company offices.

Bill Blank

Bill Blank United States
4/26/2013 2:50:35 PM #

Why not just be honest and say in the non-job announcement something like, "In the coming weeks we're anticipating openings for Java developers in many  regions of the country. We invite prospective candidates to submit resumes now for advanced consideration, etc etc."  No misunderstandings results in better feelings about your agency.

Chip

Chip United States
4/26/2013 2:59:49 PM #

I did lose a job for the reason previously discussed (Antonia). I applied through the company web-site and through a job description posted with a staffing agency. They thought I was trying to "get around" the staffing agency and called my ethics into question. If the company name and/or address aren’t listed, how do I know?

Wil

Wil United States
4/26/2013 3:04:29 PM #

1st - What you have here sounds like a propaganda article and it's an extremely short one at that.

2nd - The reasoning you provided has really been overused and frankly for someone who had been working with recruiter for a number of years, it's really more annoying than convincing.

3rd - What you are trying to address above are just the symptoms and not the core of the issue.

In my experience, the real issue with recruiting firms like KForce is that you tend to treat every single potential candidate as a commodity. Candidates are your core product, not the jobs. Jobs are your sales opportunity.  When you start treating your core products as a commodity vs something of value, you'll eventually end up with very low quality to mediocre products. Therefore any intermediate candidate who's worth their salt will avoid recruiting firms like KForce like a plague.

Bottom line, value your candidates and treat them like a person.

Milinda

Milinda United States
4/26/2013 3:09:09 PM #

I still believe most of them are fake and all staffing agencies do is get your email address to flood your account to make like they are searching for a correct job for you.  In order to get paid by some companies that really do need employees. I have over 20 years experience in the clerical field, but yet I get technical jobs or machinist jobs.  Do you people even read the resume or profile?  

Alan B

Alan B United States
4/26/2013 4:20:14 PM #

I've submitted my resume to job postings at KForce a good number of times, and I don't ever hear ANYTHING back from them, not even an email saying I'm not qualified or that they've found a better candidate. NOTHING!

So don't blame the applicant if they cannot help but think that KForce job postings are fake, and that you are just 'pooling' prospects for 'possible' employment opportunities. KForce needs to do a better job handling / updating job applications.

JennyA

JennyA United States
4/26/2013 5:15:19 PM #

Sorry but posting for a job that is not available is the same as posting a fake job, as the posters commenting have already stated. It doesn't make it right, giving job seekers such high hopes and then dashing them in that way. Epic fail.

Jaykforce

Jaykforce United States
4/26/2013 5:15:38 PM #

Exactly what I expected them to say- they justify one of their sleazy practices as "good for all involved." This is why I see recruiters as lower than salesmen or lawyers.

How about when they call you for a job, talk to you for a half hour about your whole background, then tell you something you said really early on disqualifies you for the job but they'll put all that information in their pool.

Cat Williams

Cat Williams United States
4/26/2013 5:39:25 PM #

Since the times have changed in regards to online security, identity theft is rampant, false job postings certainly are a problem. The employers need to change as well.
I have to identify myself to the employer then the employer should identify themselves. It is not a one-way street.  Jobs advertisements like the ones mentioned in the article; I no longer apply for these positions. I delete the email positing.
If an employer really has an interest in you they will find a way to contact you. If an employer really wants to hire you the employer will find the money to hire you!  An email address or telephone number should be enough to start a dialogue with a potential applicant.

Nicole

Nicole United States
4/26/2013 6:33:29 PM #

These posts should let you know if the company is looking for resumes or actual people.  Otherwise it is dishonest and misleading, in my opinion.  If a person is out of work and actually looking for a job then these "future employment posts" can really cause problems.  For instance, making an interview appointment for one of these and actually postponing or bypassing the opportunity to speak with a company who is hiring!  Furthermore. wasting gas to come in and find out there is not even am open opportunity is very frustrating!

Jaykforce

Jaykforce United States
4/26/2013 10:34:28 PM #

They removed my comment I think. I'll repeat, because it's worth saying:

Exactly what I expected them to say- they justify one of their sleazy practices as "good for all involved." This is why I see recruiters as lower than salesmen or lawyers.

How about when they call you for a job, talk to you for a half hour about your whole background, then tell you something you said really early on disqualifies you for the job but they'll put all that information in their pool.

Jaykforce

Jaykforce United States
4/26/2013 10:52:58 PM #

They keep deleting this post. Unreal how biased they are.

Exactly what I expected them to say- they justify one of their practices as "good for all involved." This is why I see recruiters as lower than salesmen or lawyers.

How about when they call you for a job, talk to you for a half hour about your whole background, then tell you something you said really early on disqualifies you for the job but they'll put all that information in their pool.

Jaykforce

Jaykforce United States
4/26/2013 10:53:18 PM #

This is standard

Rick

Rick United States
4/27/2013 1:20:36 AM #

What I am concerned about is whether the job is meant for an American or an Indian on visa?

They load up the job description with so many skills on the fringes - and then tell you that you are not qualified - and then give the job to a kid from India with no work experience.

I wish K-force would address that.

Are we just being used so that 'they' can pretend that they can't find any Americans to do the job?  And thus, justify their use of visas?

Marge

Marge United States
4/27/2013 11:08:37 AM #

I have answered ads only to be told my resume would be kept in the file and when I inquired as to the ad I answered I was told the job was filled.  The following weeks had the same ad listed.  

Frustrated Senior

Frustrated Senior United States
4/27/2013 1:56:58 PM #

Where to start>>  Became unemployed 6 weeks ago after 13 years at the same job.  If you go to a site, click on a job...you end up someplace else and never see that job again...your resume does go into a black hole...if you can get that far!  Also...pigeon holing...what if you want to try something new..nope can't do that..you have to choose ONE area of interest and ONE type of employer. Very frustrating.  I'm in my 60's(no health issues..nothing falling off) still want to work full time, and would like try something new...but there is no place to express what you might have an interest in.  If the hiring people are in their 30's and see when you graduated HS...forget it.

Ruth Haynes

Ruth Haynes United States
4/27/2013 2:43:56 PM #

I heard that explanation before.  It is a round-about way of gathering resume' s when no position exists at the time.  So, we will be ready when the job is ordered and then we go through our resume' database to match jobs.  

Gathering resume's through posting for future job order's not yet is posting for fake jobs.

Stop treating me like I know nothing and say we are low on a skill set of resume's would you like for us to add yours to the database and register with our firm?  I would appreciate the honesty.

Now, is it understood what posting fake jobs are?  It is posting jobs where there are no job orders looking to be filled at the time of posting.

Please!  I am not stupid.  It is a part of the job recruitment of resume's.

Fernando Gonzales

Fernando Gonzales United States
4/27/2013 2:58:07 PM #

if the job is based on a recruiters anticipation of a client's need (a good recruiter gets tp know the client and thus the anticipation) then the posting should say so.

ALF

ALF United States
4/27/2013 3:32:14 PM #

Here's what i've noticed during my 6 month job search last year.  

Employers allow their job openings to try and be filled by multiple recruiters.  In the past 6 months I've received half a dozen emails and phone calls from different recruiters about the same exact job at Verizon Wireless in NJ.  Are jobs listed somewhere a multiple listing service like homes are?   Or do the employers work with several agencies?  It seems like no one has an exclusive relationship to fill jobs.  I've challenged this notion with one recruiter and never heard back from them again.  I guess I was right.  

And when they do contact me about the job each of them has a different rate for the exact same job.  I know it's the same job based on the description, word for word!  Am I to assume that a candidate is more likely to get the job because he's coming in at the lowest bid (assuming they are qualified for the job).  Are we bidding on jobs without knowing it?!

I'd like to see KForce discuss this in their future articles.



Indiana guy

Indiana guy United States
4/27/2013 4:41:31 PM #

K-force may or may not post jobs that are non existant, I can't say for sure. You can bet the house other companies do.

D L

D L United States
4/27/2013 4:47:44 PM #

Larry Turner, above, is partially correct. But his first reason is incorrect and his writing skils are poor.
Some employee of ABC company is not going to figure out that they are replacing someone in accounting, and that person may be him. Unless you are a screwup and have been warned constantly and the last warning was major, you are not likely to figure out that they are finally letting you go because you last warning was so major, you are surprised that they did not let you go immediately.
His last line about many recruiters contacting you with the same job does not fly. I am with 18-20 and I am very rarely contacted. SEcond, the times I was contacted it was never by more than one job egency.
I have five degrees, two masters, and I started a PhD in Business with an HR concentration. In addition, I lived in China for several years and I cannot get a job as a former accountant, HR and Payroll Manager title. Very strange.
I spent my own money to take PeopleSofy classes, ADP, and several other classes. No luck.
Not one of these people addressed the issue of people over 50 working. Passing a law is like saying politicians cannot steal money or lie. They get caught, as you have read, and they are still in office. Bloomberg, Schummer, etc. I will still be out of a job this Nov. when I turn 57 unless people start to buy insurance from me, Aflac, have me analyze their current benefit packages, and whatever they need to do.
Twenty job agencies and they are all worthless and useless.

CJ Nichols

CJ Nichols United States
4/27/2013 5:29:25 PM #

With all the jobs that I have applied for via K-Force I must admit more than 500 over a three year period.  I have never received a acknowledgement of any type from any of the postings.

Be k

Be k United States
4/27/2013 6:48:06 PM #

KForce, do not think that you are only smart.

Ernie Mink

Ernie Mink United States
4/27/2013 7:20:07 PM #

No smart or respectful person would EVER, under ANY circumstances apply for a job that did not have the employer's name and location. PERIOD.

Howard

Howard United States
4/27/2013 8:32:29 PM #

While this article may be true regarding Kforce, there are many recruiters (and I won't name names) who post and repost the same positions long after they have been filled which is extremely deceptive. All you have to do is look at Monster.com to see the same jobs over and over.

Steve

Steve United States
4/27/2013 10:16:15 PM #

While recruiters such as Kforce may not post fake jobs, employers absolutely do.  It helps bolster a company's image if they have many job postings as they appear to be busy and growing.  

Some companies MUST post job vacancies even though they are 99% certain that they will fill the position internally.  This is especially true of large companies.

Lucy

Lucy United States
4/28/2013 8:15:35 AM #

I am currently working though a temp agency. My assignment will be ending soon. I saw that they had a posting on Indeed  that they had "multiple opportunities coming up" for someone with my skill set. I checked with their representative at the site where I work. It was a generic posting for them to get resumes for potential candidatates should they have any future openings. Companies do this too on the career section on their website - post positions that don't exist. I had someone in HR at one company come right out and tell me they did it. There is no need to do this in this job market. If a job becomes availale, post it and you will have hundreds of candidates apply within a few days. Don't get people's hopes up for nothing. It becomes very demoralizing after a while.

TheWeeble

TheWeeble United States
4/28/2013 8:25:10 AM #

I have to agree with what BeenLooking4Ever! states. Far too often recruiters contact me and truly take me through the life-cycle of the recruitment process, even getting me to their office for a "sizing-up / profiling" session, and they had no specific job in mind. Where I am eager to establish contacts at recruiting firms, and have my name and skills listed as one of their prospects, I'd rather be told up front that it is just to gain knowledge about me as a potential candidate. The allure of a specific position is false gold in those cases and could have been done by skype,  faxes, emails and phones. This harms the credibility of the staffing firm IMO.

Dawn

Dawn United States
4/28/2013 8:43:14 AM #

Here's my experience with staffing firms:  I apply for a job.  I either go in for an interview or I do one over the phone.  I'm always told to contact the person in about a week to check on status.  I'm always told that a decision hasn't been made or that the client went with someone else.  OK, I get that.  What bugs me is that I am then told that I will contacted when another opportunity comes up.  If/when I do call the firm back to see if there is anything else, I'm told no.  I never hear from the firm again.  >Frown

Leon Stark

Leon Stark United States
4/28/2013 11:55:03 AM #

I have seen where municipalities and public service positions are "legally required" to advertize position, but they already have the candidate(s) to fill the position(s) in different positions or different departments.   When they have to test candidates, they administer them to advantage their candidates, and then they schedule "legally required interviews" to keep within the laws.  They make certain that their (chosen) candidate will pass the test, and the interview is but a formality.  

The "position"  may exist, but it has already been "filled" and no one is being considered to fill the vacated position.  Consideration for filling the lesser, open position, will have been made by "internal reference".  

I have enough "anecdotal tales" to believe it happens far too often.

Other position are "anticipatory", and more are "illusory".  There is the expectation of needing someone, for the position, and there are HR Managers seeking to have incoming résumés for positions they imagine, or consider possible (with no evidence that they will ever come to fruition), from discussions with their "Chiefs".  These positions MAY come about, may change in the description within their titles, or the applicants may be referred to other positions, if at all.  Again, I have seen this often enough, and heard enough of this, to think that all these stories from so many disparate sources are anything but true.

Southpaw

Southpaw United States
4/28/2013 2:26:12 PM #

SM:  You are correct.  They're not fake jobs....just jobs that don't exist.  I guess any recruiter can spin that, making it appear that the job seeker doesn't know the difference. ha!  Laughable.

Michael Bushe

Michael Bushe United States
4/28/2013 2:32:07 PM #

I'm not sure if KForce has even posted fake jobs, but recruiters certainly do.  I haven't seen it in good times - there's no time to do anything less than optimally productive, but in slow times recruiters certainly post fake jobs for two reasons:
1) To get you resume, but they have plenty in slow times, so that's not important
2) To get your references!  They need more business and one way to get the contact of a hiring manager is to ask a worker under the guise of the "standard process" with a mythical carrot hanging over the provider of the info.

Michael

qwerty

qwerty United States
4/28/2013 2:46:52 PM #

What a load of crap.  Recruiters most certainly DO post fake jobs.  I have personally encountered it dozens of times in my search.  They also do cold calls (or emails) with messages similar to, "I have a couple of openings I think you would be a perfect fit for, please call me."  Right.  So when you push back for an actual job description, either they never respond or they hemm and haw and backpedal and they eventually find some excuse to not send you anything.  "Oh, you haven't worked in retail?  Well, that's a must have.  But I'll keep you on file and let you know if something else comes up."  Having filled their contact quota for the day, they move on.

And sometimes, if you actually manage to talk to someone, the recruiter will claim that they can't say who the company is because it's a "confidential" search.  One recruiter went so far as to claim she couldn't tell me the name because the company did not want to be flooded with resumes.  Right.  Implying that I would divulge (allegedly) confidential information  What they really mean is they don't want their own competition getting wind of a new listing.

Another cute trick is when multiple recruiters post the exact same listing but with different towns.  Like we're stupid or something.

I've done a ton of job searching, and have dealt with dozens of recruiting companies on both sides of the hiring table.  In over 20 years I have yet to find a recruiter who adds tangible value, let alone anything remotely commensurate with their fees.

This story is lame.  It's not a myth.  Companies don't post fake jobs -- recruiters do.

geek49203

geek49203 United States
4/28/2013 3:22:57 PM #

Let's just admit that there are a few bright shining lights in an industry that can be very slimy and seedy.  

Just a few thoughts when reading this article --

1.  A candidate that is double-submitted for a job is usually disqualified.  When I don't see the name of the hiring customer, I am very concerned that I'll be double-submitted.  In addition, being honest, there is at least one large IT company I'll never work for again, while others might be of special interest in a good way.  Therefore, not providing the name of the hiring customer isn't something I think is a good idea.

2.  The only thing I have to go on as a contractor is the word of the person at the other end of the phone.  Any sense that I'm not getting an accurate picture and I'm outta there.  So, when I'm called up because "we have jobs" and I then get in to an interview just to have a noob -- who can't even pronounce what it is that I do -- collect a new resume, I'm inclined to never answer another call from that agency again.  

3.  Hate to say this, but it is true -- a thick foreign accent, trying to match my online resume to a job they saw online, isn't working for me.  I'm sure it's not working for the reputable people either.  

4.  Last but not least -- an addition to the "Three biggest lies" joke is that contract agencies have a database and they look in there to hire current and former contractors.  I've been called up dozens of times by reps from agencies I've worked with after they've pulled my resume -- off of Monster and Dice.  And none of the big national agencies wants to hire anyone who doesn't live near the job -- so don't even bother reaching out to the account rep when you're not a local.

Joel Benson

Joel Benson United States
4/28/2013 3:32:22 PM #

I don't have a problem with recruiters keeping the name of the client a secret, but they should at least provide some information about what type of business it is.

In my field (technical writing), many openings require education and/or experience in the relevant field but fail to say what that field is--probably because the client wrote up their requirements thinking it would be obvious to anyone who knew the identity of that client, which the recruiter then inconveniently hides. Many then require an applicant to fill out a long form without knowing whether he/she has even a remote chance of being considered. It's not fair and a waste of everyone's time.

Candidate X

Candidate X United States
4/28/2013 4:11:42 PM #

The Facts Of Life:

It's called "Resume' Fishing" - recruiters get a req, sometimes 2nd or 3rd hand and they SPAM the HR dept. or Hiring Manager with resume's of folks they claim are on staff. THEY

ARE NOT on staff, they are desperately trying to get a foot in the door. In the mean time the recruiter is trying to convince the candidate they are an exclusive with the HR dept. / Hiring Manager at the company. NOT TRUE. Also, the company name is not disclosed to keep candidates from "Back Door-ing" the recruiter.

These day's it 's a numbers game for recruiters and they don't care about the candidates real  job needs needs. They need to make their numbers like a real estate agent or they are toast with their boss.  In the mean time the poor candidate believes the recruiter is working for his interests and waits, and waits and waits and never hears back. I'd say about 90% of the time after submitting a resume most candidates DO NOT hear back from these recruiters.

So my advice, believe non of them and fend for yourself. SImple. They lie to survive and you don't need recruiters to survive. We are the talent and they need us (NOT THE INVERSE).

- Cheers

Candidate X

Candidate X United States
4/28/2013 4:11:55 PM #

The Facts Of Life:

It's called "Resume' Fishing" - recruiters get a req, sometimes 2nd or 3rd hand and they SPAM the HR dept. or Hiring Manager with resume's of folks they claim are on staff. THEY

ARE NOT on staff, they are desperately trying to get a foot in the door. In the mean time the recruiter is trying to convince the candidate they are an exclusive with the HR dept. / Hiring Manager at the company. NOT TRUE. Also, the company name is not disclosed to keep candidates from "Back Door-ing" the recruiter.

These day's it 's a numbers game for recruiters and they don't care about the candidates real  job needs needs. They need to make their numbers like a real estate agent or they are toast with their boss.  In the mean time the poor candidate believes the recruiter is working for his interests and waits, and waits and waits and never hears back. I'd say about 90% of the time after submitting a resume most candidates DO NOT hear back from these recruiters.

So my advice, believe non of them and fend for yourself. SImple. They lie to survive and you don't need recruiters to survive. We are the talent and they need us (NOT THE INVERSE).

- Cheers

DC

DC United States
4/28/2013 4:33:52 PM #

So, you basically admit you're posting jobs that don't exist.

Steve M.

Steve M. United States
4/28/2013 5:11:53 PM #

Unfortunately, nobody talks about the "contingent upon award" factor.

RecipientOfFakeAds

RecipientOfFakeAds United States
4/28/2013 5:34:20 PM #

Agencies should tell people in their "fake" ads that there is no real job behind the posting, only that they are only soliciting for resumes. Those ads place false optimism in the market-place and make applicants feel that there are more jobs than there are. Just say “this posting is for anticipated employment,” and I might just apply, and not be deluded into believing a real job backs up the ad; Shame on the posters of fake ads and placing false optimism in the market-place.

DK

DK United States
4/28/2013 6:41:48 PM #

I agree with Antonia.  If there are job openings that I feel qualified for, I apply for them.  As an independent contractor, I'm not on anyone's "bench".  It's a pleasure to work with recruiters from numerous companies, advise them that I'm in the market and be submitted for the jobs that they have and that I’m qualified for at that time.  However when I have accepted a job, I contact all of the remaining recruiters and advise them that it will be my pleasure to work with them again after this contract completes.  

IMHO, jumping from one contract to another before completing the prior contract, regardless of the offer, is a great way to stay unemployed when that contract ends.  A recruiter that recommended this would appear to be unethical to me and if they start off with an unethical proposition like this, what kind of future surprises might they have?

Bob

Bob United States
4/28/2013 7:09:02 PM #

They contact you to ask where you have interviewed.  It is to get  job leads. Ths will get deleted because it is true.

Michael

Michael United States
4/28/2013 9:38:03 PM #

There could be a real job posted but not a real job requirement.  Many of them are posted to satisfy EEO or corporate policy.  The job,moreover,  if real, already may have been filled by an  internal referral, but the company must be able to prove it has considered a diversified field of applicants.

Arthur Rubin

Arthur Rubin United States
4/28/2013 10:27:48 PM #

The job seeker might be wary or cautious but never weary unless they are tired:

It is certainly understandable why a job seeker might be weary of applying for a job without knowing the employer’s name.

Frank Grimes

Frank Grimes United States
4/28/2013 10:48:54 PM #

In my 20+ years of consulting experience most recruiters are just gathering marketing information: "what's your rate?" or   "where do you work now?" so the recruiter can contact that company you are at now as a sales lead.  My resume has to be at every recruiters imaginable and you know something?  Every time I look for a new gig its the same thing all over again.  Not one single time have I ever been contacted for a job that was a great fit by all these  firms.  There is, in short, no working relationship with the recruiting firms and the developers and it's understandable because they are the retailers, and the developers are the wholesalers of their labor.

Les

Les United Kingdom
4/29/2013 4:28:30 AM #

Many recruiting firms omit the employers name worried that other recruiting firms will try to poach their clients.

On the other issue, you should never be allowed to post a job if it does not exist. What a bad candidate experience. Recruiters that just collect CVs for 'future requirements' bring a lot of bad feeling to the industry.

Charles Chambers

Charles Chambers United States
4/29/2013 10:24:37 AM #


Sorry, but I don't agree:

1)   "Staffing agreements" is a pretty poor explanation for client confidentiality.  

Any company who requires confidentiality usually has such a poor local reputation that confidentiality is required in the recruiting process, and recruiters play along for their commission.  Second to that is a client that selects a recruiter from across the country (or around the world) to recruit locally.  How good can the company be if it has to go from Los Angeles to Hyderabad (India) to find a recruiter?

Besides, recruiters are also not included with the job posting (by name/e-mail address), and they are usually either commission only employees or outright independent contractors.  It's in their own interest to establish SOMETHING in the way of contact information.

2)  "Job Postings Based on Client’s Anticipated Needs".

Just another way of saying a job doesn't exist.  The time frame to fill a job can be reduced to two weeks under most conditions (three at the most), and mission-critical positions can be temporarily filled by employees already in the organization until a key person is recruited.

On the other hand, a temporary lull in attrition has been known to produce embarrassing situations for employers who constantly recruit for positions with a high attrition level (see number 1. above).  It's also clearly possible that an employer uses an agency to keep employees waiting in the wings, rather than properly training and rewarding them for their performance and tenure.

Bottom line - if a recruiter can't commit to the existence of a job on the initial interview, and if they don't voluntarily work their client's identify and location into their opening sales pitch, then the interview is a waste of time.  I give the interviewer until they ask the first question that requires knowledge of the employer.  Properly, the first interview, without knowledge of the employer, location, salary range (not requirements from the client), benefits, work environment, and personalities, can only cover the candidate's resume compared to the job description.





Charles Chambers

Charles Chambers United States
4/29/2013 10:33:05 AM #


To Larry:

I've been contacted by five different recruiters at five different agencies all claiming to represent a client that they do not.  How am I so certain?  I checked with their "client", and was told that this "client" was not recruiting through any recruiters for any position.  I was further requested to let this company know who was doing this, so that they could instigate legal action.\

So, no, the potential for "leaking confidential information" during the hiring process just doesn't cut it.

really

really United States
4/29/2013 11:11:50 AM #

Article title: "Fake job postings are a myth"

Article: "Here's why we post fake jobs"

TBL

TBL United States
4/29/2013 11:37:29 AM #

I wonder if some of the fake job ads are for employers trying to show they gave an honest effort to hire a US candidate, while secretly intending to hire a foreign worker. Some government laws require that an employer make an effort to offer the position to a US candidate before they can hire the foreign worker. A fake job ad can satisfy the government's requirement for this.

G Goodrich

G Goodrich United States
4/29/2013 12:17:15 PM #

While companies commonly do NOT post fake jobs, they do post jobs that they ALREADY have candidates for.  This is a part of the problem that I see for staffing companies.  They should identify on their website two items:

1. If I sign in I should know what positions I am being considered for so I do not waste my time looking for positions that are already identified.

2. When a listing is created, (signed in or not), if a candidate or cadidates are already "in the pipeline"  and no more are needed, let people know so they do not waste the time.

Implementing these two fundamental changes would reduce the "fake job" complaints.

Bob Hoevel

Bob Hoevel United States
4/29/2013 1:42:05 PM #

I know of several employers local to Austin that have posted the same job every 3 months for the past 4 years. The job never gets filled. The State does this consistently as they sometimes need to find candidates for roles before getting a rec opened. In most cases I have stopped applying for jobs with agencies if they do not have a relationship with the client (named or not) or if there is no confirmed rec opened.

IT Consultant

IT Consultant United States
4/29/2013 1:50:42 PM #

This article is just a waste of time. DO NOT EVEN READ IT. The title doesn't match the content.

KFORCE is saying that they are deceiving people and they think it is right. Find a job with the actual employer NOT MIDDLE LAYERS LIKE KFORCE, EXPERIS, MODIS, ETC.

Annamayya tallapaka

Annamayya tallapaka United States
4/29/2013 2:03:49 PM #

KFORCE is a bodyshop. Tyring to use this article to give another impression make KFORCE look cheap.

Paul Tiffany

Paul Tiffany United States
4/29/2013 2:22:27 PM #

In the past couple of years, dozens of recruiting companies have been posting jobs for "Technical" Project Manager.  The recruiters generally don't know it, but it's a misleading role.  It almost always means a job for an Agile/SCRUM Master, not a Project Manager.

Here's the problem.  Agile is only the recent of several Rapid Application Development (RAD) techniques used to develop prototypes and in some research efforts involving experimentation into alternatives.  RAD is part of a much larger and far more robust class of Systems/Software Development LifeCycle (SDLC) methods that have been applied over the decades.  It started about 38 years ago with McGowan's and Kelly's "Top-Down Structured Programming Techniques" and  Yourdon's "How to Manage Structured Programming", through DeMarco's structured analysis & design, Gane & Sarson, Jackson (data-based), Object-Oriented Programming (OOP), Rational Rose, Rational Unified Process (RUP) and the latest Unified Process (UP).  These are all information technology development methods - SDLCs.

Project management best practices have been developed for over a century in engineering and construction, but somewhat infused into information technology along the lines of Project Management Body of Knowledge (PMBoK) as sponsored and published by the Project Management Institute (PMI).  The PMI is best known for its Project Manager Professional (PMP) Certification.  The PMI also offers certificates in Agile, but does not consider such experience as qualification toward the PMP, since Agile is an SDLC, not a Project Management LifeCycle (PMLC) methodology.

Picky-picky?  Not at all.  The profession of Project Manager is significantly different than what Systems/Software Application Managers and Architects do, with different purposes and vastly different skills.  In fact, many, but not all, adherents of Agile rail against several of the basic principles of "traditional" project management, especially the process of determining, documenting and committing (signing) business requirements BEFORE planning and execution.  The professionals in project management learned that taking such shortcuts "to save time" is the primary cause of failure of information technology projects.  Many studies over the years have concluded that IT project success rates are anywhere between 62% to 34% (latest Standish Chaos Report).  Many sources claim even less.

What is the project success rate for projects focused on the broader needs of the business and not limited to, but including information technology?  It's common for them to have success rates of better than 90% and some regularly achieve 98%-99%!

To compound the problem, some requisitions ask for "Technical" Project Managers whose duty it is to regularly change the project plans to correspond to their experimental results, violating what the profession of project managers have learned the hard way - determine what you need first before committing valuable resources!

So, "Technical" Project Manager is a fake job, but too many recruiting companies are sucked into the falacy.  You can give anyone any title, but it doesn't mean that's what they do, nor what they are qualified to do.  There are other jobs in IT that are just like it.  IT Director is another, but that's another story.

You might also want to look into the IT construct of Project "Management" Offices (PMOs).  They don't manage according the business definition of being assigned the responsibility, authority and accountability for the success of their endeavors.  Most people in IT are aware that their PMOs are actually Project Clerical/ Administrative/ Support /Advisory groups.  Which other business department includes "Management" in its title, especially when it doesn't manage!

The more robust and success project management organzations not limited to IT are typically called Program or Project Offices.  This is the organization used by most large organizations.

There's a lot of hype and disinformation in the roles of information technology and the recruiting industry is complicit in this confusion and obfuscation, however unwillingly.  In large organizations this has been improving.  Out of over four hundred large organizations we've served over the years, none of them has Agile project management, although some use Agile in limited development efforts.

Rosanne Riddick

Rosanne Riddick United States
4/29/2013 2:42:13 PM #

Despite what this article says, I believe most of the jobs posted by recruiters are fake.  

MF

MF United States
4/29/2013 3:01:52 PM #

I agree that it's acceptable to leave a client's name off of a job posting.  Nearly every staffing firm always does this.  However, the practice of posting jobs that doe not yet exist is usually not done to be "instantly" ready once the client calls.  This practice is often done even for jobs that have an overabundance of qualified candidates.  Rather, staffing firms often go to clients with these resumes in-hand (or on-screen) with sales pitches about how many qualified candidates they could present.  Usually the clients don't even care.

mjs

mjs United States
4/29/2013 3:05:25 PM #

Putting up a job description for a job which does not exist is exactly posting a fake job description. It may be the best way for an agency to cull resumes from the ether, but it is terribly misleading and most of the time leads to animosity between individuals and recruiters. It is really a sign of laziness on the part of the staffing firm as well as disrespect for the people that would be placed. The economy hitting the skids was a boon for staffing firms as temp placements jumped along with the number of unemployed. Unfortunately, staffing firms' ethics also dropped. This is a disgusting and heart wrenching way to try to get a job these days and articles like this only add to that feeling.

chazNatl

chazNatl United States
4/29/2013 3:31:40 PM #

I have made over 260 applications in the past 15 months.

I have received ZERO interviews!

I applied in person at a local gas station. They told me they are only looking for people who are bilingual Spanish/English!

S. Cooper

S. Cooper United States
4/29/2013 4:13:26 PM #

Folks, what diff does it make to you?  You do the same things in your own business.  Of course they want your resume! That's the business.  Work on your skills.  Work on your resume.  Something good will happen for you!  And Good Luck!

pamam

pamam United States
4/29/2013 6:02:22 PM #

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pamam

pamam United States
4/29/2013 6:10:26 PM #

I'm interested in a position in the Sacramento area only.  My wife won't move and I don't want to commute.  So I don't want to spend a lot of time with my resume and answering questions about it with a recruiter or company directly unless I intend to go there when all is said and done.  The first thing I ask for is Company name and job #.  If I don't get these then I move on.  As an example regarding the job number; HP sends their openings to 15 or more recruiting companies.  I got 15 emails on 2 days the last time that this happend and I had to find the job number for each one because if you submit twice to the same job HP cans your resume.  So why go through all the other things when you don't even know if the job is in the same country?
I for one will not stand for it.
Thanks,
Mel

CT

CT United States
4/29/2013 6:21:33 PM #

I have experienced many of the situations mentioned.  I have been in and out of work for about 4 years now.  I have mostly had temp jobs, but within actual companies, not with temp agencies.  Not that I didn't try with temp agencies...even with KNFT.  I either got no calls, or calls to interview after I had gotten another assignment, or more maddening: I actually got calls after a year to come in ant take the tests again!  They were just going through their inventory of people.  I promptly told them that there was no reason to take the tests again since there wasn't a job opportunity in an entire year.

pamam

pamam United States
4/29/2013 6:27:04 PM #


Pet peeve #2
The recruiter will ask what the contractor wants in terms of salary and knows what the client will pay and they will either get the contractor to lower his salary request to meet their profit margin.  Profit margins are as high as 75% with H1B workers and 60% with citizens or permanent residents.  This is the reason why I had to really get tough with recruiters that looked at my resume and thought I was a senior level and wanted to sell me for 75+/hour  when all I wanted was a junior to mid-level position for 35.0 per hour.  It always came out in the interview as soon as I found out the position was a senior level and did not qualify for the position.
Thanks,

Mel

S

S United States
4/29/2013 7:06:07 PM #

"Job Postings Based on Client’s Anticipated Needs

Oftentimes, an employer may realize that finding top candidates for a particular skill set, such as Java development, can be a challenge in the city or state where they operate. In order to stay ahead of these types of hiring needs, staffing firms may post a job opening to gather candidate resumes. The description may even mention that there are multiple openings for a particular position without listing an exact location.

The goal here though, is for the staffing firm to quickly gather these in-demand professionals’ updated resumes so the firm can instantly contact you when an employer has a key opportunity they need to fill immediately"

Call this what you want....I call it a FAKE JOB!!!  I am SO TIRED of applying for these jobs, just so some recruiter/agency can have one more name in their database.  Or just so that recruiter can have hundreds of resumes to send in once there finally IS a job.  It is deceptive and this is why I am starting to avoid these postings at all costs.  

JJ

JJ United States
4/29/2013 9:11:27 PM #

I have personally caught them red handed with the fake or non-existant jobs just so they can gather lead information on companies I've worked for. Some of them even had the nerve to ask me for previous clients information from other staffing agencies. Then never had a job for me. I found that if they really have something; they tell you when they call who the client is or at least where its located. Pay attention to the recruiters tone and how much information they share with you. You will learn right away who means business.

Bravo

Bravo United States
4/30/2013 2:41:23 AM #

You are idiots reducing your credibility by admitting you don't post real jobs.  I have a few rules as regards recruiters.  Rule 1) Never interview with recruiters.  It's a total waste of time and generally only training for the recruiter at your expense. 2) Never trust a recruiter to have your best interests at heart. 3) Never discuss salary with a recruiter.  I absolutely hate recruiters and the sooner companies realize they need to do their own recruiting the sooner the 10 recruiters trying to fill 1 job with 3 candidates will end. Recruiters are leaches sucking the blood out of the job market.

Drago

Drago United States
4/30/2013 3:12:01 PM #

Eh.  Actual companies do it, too...list a position that exists, but there's a hiring freeze so it's not going to be filled anytime soon but having a bunch of people in for interviews in case authorization ever comes down is a good way to waste everybody's time and keep the HR blobs busy.

Reality Check

Reality Check United States
4/30/2013 3:33:30 PM #

A fake job by any other name is still a fake job.  The real reason Kforce does this is to try to get candidates in their database the other staffing companies do not have.  The end result is all the staffing companies post job after jobs which are not real and they post them repeatedly.  Many of us just skip over them but if all of us would apply to all of them posted by every company, this process would not work.

Instead of posting fake jobs, why not make a general posting indicating this is for future consideration and not a specific opportunity. That would be the most ethical way to approach this situation.  

Seeing the same jobs posted day after day by the same staffing company is insulting to the candidate.

Kforce is the not the only offender.  Most of the staffing companies do this.  Not only does this hurt the candidate but it hurts the actual employers who post jobs on the major job boards.

MATT

MATT United States
4/30/2013 4:54:52 PM #

All the above comments make me feel very fortunate. I submitted one resume to KForce and was in a negotiated contract in about seven business days. I really believe most recruiter posting are resume farms, but not this last time.  I always had more luck with boutique recruiters.  I have to give some kudos to KForce because it worked out for me.  

Kforce Inc

Kforce Inc United States
4/30/2013 5:29:15 PM #

Thanks to everyone for your comments. This was a tough topic for us to tackle and we were concerned prior to posting the article about the potential responses. The intent of the article was to provide insight into our process of how we support our clients’ requirements for in-demand top talent in the areas of Technology, Finance and Accounting, and Health Information Management. Our in-depth relationship with our clients allows us to understand and foresee their staffing needs enabling us to rapidly deploy top talent to meet the demand. This speed of action is an obvious benefit for our clients and for our top talent job seekers who benefit from the job opportunity.  

Today’s unemployment rate for college educated professionals is just under 4% and this is the area were we staff the majority of our consultants. For many of our clients, we cannot find enough top talent to fill their requirements – application developers with java and .net experience are a few of the in demand areas.  We also frequently see situations where the supply of top talents exceeds the client demand – in these cases we have multiple top talent job seekers vying for a limited number of opportunities.  

While we wish everyone a positive experience while working with a staffing firm, we realize this is not the case but we’re constantly aiming to improve our process and collect customer feedback in forums such as this. We realize it is not perfect but are trying to be as transparent as possible. A part of our social media goals are to develop and foster relationships with you…the job seeker. We hope that we can offer valuable advice that may help with your career whether that is with us, another staffing firm, or by finding a position on your own.

Again, we appreciate your comments and feedback and hope that the rest of the upcoming “staffing myth” series lends insight that may help in your search.

** Please note:  If a comment contains profanity, is vulgar, defamatory, offensive, spam, etc., it will be removed.

Kevin

Kevin United States
4/30/2013 5:31:45 PM #

I sidesteped 2 diferent fake job scams in my most recent job hunt.
#1. The None match contact.  recruiters hitting me up for jobs that are so far in left field it is clear they never even glanced at my resume.
#2. The agent contract scam.  This recruiter wanted me to sign a contract that he was my job hunting agent.  I got lucky in that what he told me on the phone did not match the writen document.  This is a clear red flag for ANY contract, so I refused to sign.
I found out later that this scam bites when you do land a job without the "recruiter's" "help" and he then gets to sue you for the unpaid head hunter fees (since the employer has no deal with him).

John S

John S United States
4/30/2013 9:21:59 PM #

Sorry, not buying it.  

"information like this is excluded from the job description, due to agreements staffing firms may have with the client (a.k.a. the employer)"

That just means the employer and staffing company have agreed to hide something, or maybe THERE IS NO JOB.

"The description may even mention that there are multiple openings for a particular position without listing an exact location."

Why wouldn't I want to move from Florida to Minnesota?  
(nothing against Minnesota, but it is a little colder there than Florida)

"The goal here though, is for the staffing firm to quickly gather these in-demand professionals’ updated resumes so the firm can instantly contact you when an employer has a key opportunity they need to fill immediately."

Yes, because companies hire new people within a week.  They NEVER drag their heels on open positions!  

Johnathan

Johnathan United States
5/1/2013 3:28:14 PM #

I applied for a job w/ kforce. I always use a number that allows me to screen calls or block a number alltogether. Kforce called and did not allow him/it self to be screened. They hung up. Never heard from them again.

Caros

Caros United States
5/1/2013 3:37:11 PM #

I applied for a job w/ kforce. I always use a number that allows me to screen calls or block a number alltogether. Kforce called and did not allow him/it self to be screened. They hung up. Never heard from them again.

Michele

Michele United States
5/1/2013 7:59:21 PM #

Not there yet…

I don’t usually comment on posts but this is a great conversation with a highly intelligent group of people (mostly). I thought I was going a little going crazy- at least it’s nice to know I’m not the only one. None of these job posting/recruitment practices make sense to any of us. Where’s the planning and organization? It’s such a huge waste of time and resources all the way around.

I’m extremely frustrated and discouraged being forced to spend my valuable time sorting through recruiter and daily job search email with job descriptions that don’t even come close. I spend hours entering and reformatting my data, and modifying and rerunning searches (defaults are way too broad), but the results are still far from what they should be- even with advance search criteria. I’ve also experienced several recruiters calling me for the same position, and not having a clue about the job, employer, time frame, rate, etc. Recruiters tell me one rate (in writing), then change it to a lower rate several conversations later. I haven’t found one resource I trust. Looks like I’m not the only one.

This article, even though most of us don’t agree, sparked a great discussion. I think we all agree- the current process is far from acceptable. I’d love the opportunity to work with a group of people that are interested in designing processes and systems that create a positive user experience and company reputation. A job search company that’s known throughout the land for honesty, integrity, a fast submission process, and accurate matches.

The feedback here is priceless. We already know what needs to be done- simplify and streamline the process- automate common processes- eliminate duplication- include checkboxes and pull downs for common skills selections- add fields for estimated hire dates- filter queries and search criteria for more accurate results. There’s so many other great suggestions listed here. It’s not rocket science. Only allow real job posts, not test cases. If the job is filled, remove it- rollover credits on the remaining balance so employer/recruiters are motivated to keep their houses in order.

There’s too much data entered over and over again, too much garbage to sort through, and too many unnecessary keystrokes and clicks. I don’t care about the training programs or partner deals. Just get me to the information I need and let me get out of here!

Be honest up front, considerate of my time- don’t send me a link asking me to fill out a profile on your website when I can’t see the man behind the curtain unless I whip out my credit card. No mention it’s a pay site until all the data is entered and submit button clicked. How does this make you feel? First impression for me- dishonest and a total waste of my time! I’ll never go there again- profile deleted, unsubscribe to all, and tell all my friends to beware. Don’t they get it? The focus should be on striving to make things easy and efficient for the users- job seekers and employers alike.

I was a VP for a large Internet job board and recruitment company several years ago. I worked closely with users, management, and cross-functional teams to design and re-engineer company-wide processes and systems including call center operations- sales and customer service. I’d love to have the funding and opportunity to work on an innovative job search solution. If you have expertise and/or connections, and a desire to move forward, please let me know. I don’t have all the answers, but like many of you, I have a lot of ideas and suggestions. Great project and opportunity! Interested?

PS I’ve applied for many positions on Kforce as well- never received any response or communication- like having a conversation with a wall or trying to get through to the unemployment office. We take the time to enter all our data and submit applications- even a canned response would be better than nothing at all. Hopefully, the person writing this article (unknown?) will read and consider suggestions for improvement. The reply wasn’t very encouraging. Suggestion- Add CUSTOMER SATISFACTION to social media goals!

myra

myra United States
5/1/2013 8:49:39 PM #

This is a bunch of baloney. I went online saw an ad from Kforse applied to the position. Recruiter contacted me wanted to bring me in for a interview. When I get there she tells me she will call me when something becomes open. What? Why have me drive all the way out to the agency tol tell me that better yet why even post the job ?

Rick

Rick United States
5/2/2013 3:17:34 AM #

I read most of the comments here and I can say that by reading between the lines...

That most of the posters here simply have no skills.
You must be perfect at all the new stuff to qualify for an interview.
Sorry, but your outdated skills + 'business knowledge' don't add up to squat.

Not that I'm doing that well right now, but I am updating my skill-set.
If you are not getting interviews, it is time to move on to a different field!

Cooking fries at Mickey-Ds at least pays min wage.  Sitting on your but and crying doesn't pay anything!

We have too many IT people and not enough jobs - and CEOs are outsourcing as fast as they can...

Just do yourself a favor and get out of IT.

qwerty

qwerty United States
5/2/2013 3:34:18 PM #

Epic fail, Kforce.  Your post on 4/30 completely ignores specific, legitimate issues raised here by job hunters.  Instead, you just tried to defend your practices as beneficial to all.  You are delusional.

And I see that you deleted another post of mine.  There was no profanity, vulgarity, or spam in.  I simply spoke the truth, although in a somewhat caustic way.  I can only surmise that you found it defamatory in that it was true and accurate in stating your shortcomings.  When you invite public comment you shouldn't then censor them like that.

And, again, more to the point, simply ignoring the real issues and repeatedly saying, in effect, "Hey, we're right, you're not" is totally pathetic.  Can't wait to get back to the other side of the hiring table so that I can delete Kforce.

EPIC FAIL.

baloney

baloney United States
5/5/2013 12:04:38 PM #

After submitting my resume, recruiter #1 leaves a message saying she's very impressed with my background and would like to discuss the position with me and emailed me more details about the posting I applied for. Next day recruiter #2 calls and tells me the position is actually on hold. Right.
He then starts pressing me about my current hourly rate with the consulting company I'm working for. Again, this was after he told me the position I applied for is actually not available. He just wanted to know "in case something else comes up."
If people actually fall for this then I guess that explains why Kforce thinks we're all idiots.

BTRUIIU

BTRUIIU United States
5/10/2013 10:01:09 PM #

I would encourage workers all over the world to STOP WORKING WITH HEAD HUNTERS of any kind and return the search and hiring processes to companies definitely seeking workers.  STOP WORKING WITH AGENCIES/HEAD-HUNTERS.  It'll be the best time you'll ever save.  

BTRUIIU

BTRUIIU United States
5/10/2013 10:10:41 PM #

P.S.....Place at the top of your on-line resume, "NO AGENCY'S/HEAD-HUNTERS", and ask those you're already signed with that YOU ARE NO LONGER INTERESTED IN THEIR DIS-SERVICE.  This won't stop them from calling; they're as hard as The Church of Scientology to get rid of, but they'll get your message, if you're serious about working directly with the employer.  

The more workers refuse agency/head-hunter dis-service, the better and faster you'll find a job without wasting so much time talking about jobs with agencies.

Remember, your agencies/head-hunters don't have jobs, and only want your company contacts, especially in the IT field, so that they can get new and potential business.  

Agencies are asking for references before even submitting your resume to a prospective position, and this puts you at a major disadvantage all the while getting PUNKED!!  DO NOT GIVE REFERENCES UNTIL A JOB OFFER LOOKS LIKELY!!!!!  

In the REFERENCE SECTION OF YOUR RESUME, YOU SHOULD WRITE:  REFERENCES:  Available Pending serious consideration.

Reality Check

Reality Check United States
5/14/2013 12:50:36 PM #

A very high percentage of the posting I receive in my agents on Monster and Careerbuilder are Kforce jobs. Many of these are the same jobs posted day after day or every few days.  To me, this makes Kforce look less than reputable.

When the same job is posted in several different locations or is posted regularly for months, it is obviously just a fake job.

The job boards should do something about this because it just tends to hide the real jobs.  Kforce and the other agencies who use this sketchy tactic are actually hurting the job seeker and organizations with jobs to fill.

Reality Check

Reality Check United States
5/16/2013 4:33:25 PM #

For people who are unemployed and must report jobs they apply to in order to keep getting fereral extended unemployment compensation, if they report these jobs as part of the list of applications, isn't Kforce (and other companies who post jobs when there is no actual opening)decieving the federal government?

I would like to know what the people administering this program think about this tactic.

Otherside

Otherside United States
5/17/2013 12:25:42 PM #

The staffing industry has such a negative connotation in many people's minds, but it could help to see it from the other side. Why do employers out-source their positions to staffing services? It saves them time and money by helping them get the right person in the door. Some agencies are not always at the top of the integrity list, but the majority of them are. Finding the right candidate for the position (where you the job seeker can be successful) is the top priority. Really - why would a company just throw warm bodies at the job just to have the person quit or get fired? That doesn't help the relationship with the employer and is just not good business. Ads are posted to bring in job seekers, period. No, there isn't always an exact position tied to that job posting because the positions that are open change rapidly and the needs of clients can change on a whim too (that is another topic string). Is it really so bad to be considered for multiple positions at one time? Staffing is not a solution to your job search, it is a supplement. You are not always perfect for the positions you apply to and if you walked in the shoes of the person on the other side - HR, staffing, hiring manager, you might see that they aren't all plotting against you, but actually trying to find the right person for the job so it doesn't have to be filled again for a long time.  Having an open mind while job searching is imperative. Take advantage of the other services many staffing companies provide such as career search advice, resume revising, career exploration. It is up to you to as the job seeker to expand your network and connect with as many opportunities as possible. A staffing service increases your network and can provide you opportunities you may not have considered in the first place. No, it won't work for everyone, but does it really hurt?

IThinkNot

IThinkNot United States
5/19/2013 4:58:42 PM #

Unless recruiters are suddenly able to control time to make a job they don't have yet a real job, simply they ARE posting fake jobs. And although recruiters try to appear they are helping, more than once I went to an interview only to find out that they "forgot" to call me to tell me the job no longer exists, but coming in for an interview shows that i'm motivated to work with them.....or that i thought there was a real job instead of them dangling bait and expecting me to jump for my treat. Makes recruiters SO much more believable after they do that.

Dave Kearns

Dave Kearns United States
5/22/2013 4:19:06 PM #

I've heard people say that "some" staffing firms do post fake jobs to get people to sign up, and the more people that sign up, the firm in turn gets some form of tax break or funds from either Federal, State or Local. Any truth to that?

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